Wouldn't it be a better idea to only have basic information about the game on the first page, and then have links to larger pages that hold information about "KRU Interactive", "Clans", "Subpaths", etc ? Think it would be a little more organized then --DarkMaverick 09:05, 19 Jul 2005 (EDT)
Yeah, Kru Interactive info should be moved. The whole page should really be an outline (as the rest of the page is)--Zaventh 22:00, 24 Jul 2005 (EDT)
I think we should revise the Kru Interactive part so it doesn't break Nexus law 84.6 (revealing the identities of immortal characters). Yes, it would be nice to have that kind of detail in this wiki, but we'd probably benefit more by complying with the laws so that the website can be promoted (or at least mentioned) in-game.--PhantomSnake 14:05, 25 Jul 2005 (EDT)
This is more a question of the original mission of this site than anything else. While on one hand I would want this wiki to contain as much applicable information as possible about Nexus, my original intent for a site such as this was to be a complete game resource for Nexus, not necessarily a complete history of Nexon/Kru, their employees, their company information and etc. It's like you going to a fan site for any other game... You'd find purely in-game information, not anything about internal employees, nor would you really want to. I think that discussing too much outside the scope of the games itself may really go out of the bounds of the mission of this wiki, and therefore I would want to keep it Law 41 compliant purely so our affiliates can feel comfortable linking to or referencing the wiki and also so it will have high visibility in the game to newer players. Comments welcome.
--Zaventh 14:32, 25 Jul 2005 (EDT)
You posted on NexusForums that you wouldn't make it a necessity to keep this law 41-compliant so we could talk about what actually happened in the past, and what is actually happening (aka with Marama). Not to mention NexusAtlas says "Orb / Dave Kennerly" in their credits. So you most definetly need to leave =that= in. All in all, you need to cut the crap and make this a real wiki. No "omg kru might not like me anymore". We have 2 news sites, we need something where we can freely discuss nexus. /-,iro
I had posted that originally because I was undecided about my intent with this wiki. I of course want it to be as all-inclusive as possible. I didn't want to have to start restricting content either, which is "anti-wiki" I guess. I also didn't want it to be watered-down simply so Kru would approve of it. However, my original idea for the site was to make a wiki about Nexus the game, not about Nexon or Kru Interactive.
I have considered the requests of those who wish to not see this site Law 41 compliant. Most of these requests focus on a single point: being able to reveal Immortal character's indentities, which was argued as a important part to really tell "real" Nexus history. Honestly, though, I believe it is not very important to know who plays or has played Immortal characters. Sure, there as been drama within Nexon and its employees that affected the game, but I feel that is entirely out of the scope of this wiki. Secondly, just because you can't reveal Immortal character's IDs, doesn't mean you can't discuss Immortal characters. Whenever someone says "tip", we all know who you are talking about. Knowing who tip's other character is, or who he is IRL, is irrelevant. This site is not a news or gossip site. Its purpose is to provide the most extensive and dynamic information about NexusTK gameplay.
Really besides this there is no other laws Kru requires that would hinder this wiki in any way. You already can't harass or use profanity, regardless of Law 41. As long as you don't do that and don't reveal Immortal characters, the site is Law 41 compliant. It can still contain a wealth of highly accurate information about NexusTK amd Nexus game history. I have been going back and forth on this, but I am going to officially draft in the Guidelines to not reveal Immortal character's IDs. This will ensure Law 41 compliancy.
If anyone makes a mistake, they won't be reported. Their post will just be reverted to the last good version.--Zaventh 22:35, 25 Jul 2005 (EDT)
Revealing GM identity= no breach of nexus law
Uh, David Kennerly makes no effort to hide he was ORB. In fact he uses it in his resume and essays about game design quite often
http://finegamedesign.com/resume.htm
Also, "Wony" makes no secret he is Mr. Lee and why would he? He's the President of the company, not a volunteer player trying to hide their player identity. There isnt any reason to delete the information that they are GMs, cause its a fact they are.
The importance of the information is that if you have some kind of understanding of the backgrounds of the GMs, you have an idea of why the game is the way it is. ORB/ David Kennerly's background in games was designing the X Files Trivia game, and the man has written several essays explaining why he did what he did in not only NexusTK but Dark Ages as well. If you think players arent interested in hearing about this, your quite mistaken. I sure was.
Now, I stayed away from revealing Archon mortal characters when I was creating the Archon section, but having detailed information about what a GM is and how it is different from an Archon, or what Angels were, or any other tidbit....hey thats valuable information that educates people. You'd be surprised how many people honestly believe "Delphi" was one person.
There is a wealth of information I was considering adding, like information about events history for example, but this wiki is really disorganized... I dont think the company info, subpath list, clan list and caves should all be on the same page, and I'm not sure what your intending to do with the Spells and Items pages...I'd personally make a list of subcategories like "swords", "staffs", etc and then have a short article describing the item, what it is, where it comes from, maybe any type of tidbit information about it....but if this wiki is gonna become a stripped down clone of Nexus Atlas I'll lose interest in contributing really fast. A wiki is suppose to be like an encyclopedia, not a giant cheat sheet or FAQ.
--DarkMaverick 08:27, 26 Jul 2005 (EDT)
Hate to burst the bubble but... it is.
David, though, never revealed that his was Orb in the game. Anyone can set up a website and reveal all the GMs, Archons, and etc and there's nothing wrong with that. But David doesn't link his site inside NexusTK. The problem is Nexus "law" prevents players from revealing their IDs in the game. And if you want to promote a website in Nexus, it becomes an extension of the game.
I'm not arguing that the information isn't interesting or that people care about knowing who Grin or Hroth was, for instance, but what I am saying is that it is not necessary in this wiki. All in all, the amount of information there is about such things is insignificant to how much information there is about the game itself and its internal mechanisms. You can still mention that Delphi was a Nexon employee, and that obviously Delphi was not the same person the whole time, but once you attach a name to it then it becomes a problem as far as Kru is concerned anyway. You can even mention earlier like you said that Grin was hacked and this caused the "God Wars" without revealing who Grin was. I see no nexus law to prevent these things. And anyway, I think it is more important to focus on these things rather than the IDs of other users, Immortals, or GMs.
And if you think things should be organized differently, go ahead and do it. All I did was setup a basic outline to give people a feel for the wiki and what they can do. That is the idea of a wiki. And I agree it should be more of an encyclopedia, not just an index of walk-throughs. NA isn't even up to date or anywhere near complete either. I would like to see info about paths and subpaths, skills, quests, and history of nexus events, etc. --Zaventh 09:45, 26 Jul 2005 (EDT)
Oh god.. Sorry.. I always thought that David Kennerly was his real life name, not his character: Whether you are right or wrong, saying what you think is the name of an Archon or DW's MORTAL CHARACTER is a jailable offence. -- /-,iro P.S. With that, please, continue posting everyone. Just no names because it's law 41-compliant *rolls his eyes*
I renamed the page from "Nex Info" to "General Information". I'm not sure how to update the "Game Info" link in the navigation bar though. Zaventh, since I assume this requires server access, could you please change the link to point to General Information (and maybe rename it to "General Information" to be consistent)? Thanks.--PhantomSnake 09:25, 27 Jul 2005 (EDT)
The Final Word:
This is a reply I recieved from Kru:
"Hello. Please read the text of the notice more closely. You will see that it is designed to protect the identity of the normal characters ("Mortal characters") used by our Archons, Royals and GameMasters. These are the characters that our volunteers and exployees use to play the game on their own time. They spend much of their time helping to keep the game running smoothly. Their privacy should be respected."
Kru has agreed that it is NOT against Nexus Law to reveal the identities of Nexon employees as associated with their immortal characters. It is only a violation to reveal the mortal in-game characters of immortal characters.
I have reverted the previous changes to Kru Interactive. I hope this will clear some things up now.
--Zaventh 15:33, 28 Jul 2005 (EDT)
About Adding Images to Text Lists
I think everyone should try to refrain from adding symbolic images next to clans, paths, subpaths, etc. For instance, the Shaman Mask next to the Shaman subpath is cool, but it really isn't the symbol for the Shaman. It is just one item that they have and shouldn't necessarily represent it as such. If anything, one could include the actual symbol next to the user in the user list inside the game. The Shaman mask and other subpath images belong on the respective item page, in my opinion.
--Zaventh 13:11, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)